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Vince Mao's avatar

I went through all of them. The time scale is the thing that overwhelms 99% of the people that get pulled in. They all have their points, and the funny part about it is what Koe states that, as you state, seem to miss. The whole system is designed to pull people in, and only those who filter upwards will find their paths that don't require joining the shovel sellers. The problem is that people tend to see the angle as the most compelling.

It's taken me years to deprogram from it all. The perk is that I've started finding the people who have walked the walk of the craft rather than the business.

It takes a heck of a lot longer than the sales pitch.

J.D. Forrest's avatar

It’s not that they have bad ideas. It’s the manipulative marketing and sales that get me. You can make money without tricking people into it. It’s not even that hard.

@robopulp's avatar

I was subscribed to Dan Koe for a while, and a lot of what he wrote made sense. What happens is, as it happens to all of them, the message gets repetitive.

There's not a lot to setting up and running a system, but they need to keep you there once you're in, so the name of their game becomes finding new ways to say to make the same fewl things they say exciting and compelling enough to keep you buying courses and workshops.

There's also the aspect that they're all part of a loosely connected Internet Mafia, so they do crossovers, and joint product launches, and collaborations, and if you're not aware they'll keep you paying $1000s to just feel like you're hanging out with them.

J.D. Forrest's avatar

Yeah, I find their whole approach very gross and sus.

@robopulp's avatar

It's not entirely bad, but it's more of a foundation brick, not something to stay with forever.

J.D. Forrest's avatar

Well, their info isn't bad really. In fact, a lot of it can be Googled and learned just as effectively. But still, it's not bad info or worthless. I just don't like their approach to the marketing and commercial side of the house.